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jasonzhuocn 发表于 2012-8-15 20:53

基礎條目質量排行榜!

這公式真是獨厚長條目,長也不一定好,應該要把GA和FA放入加權公式。

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wangxuan8331800 发表于 2012-8-16 00:13

不过各地的FA标准应该不一样吧……

jasonzhuocn 发表于 2012-8-16 06:45

來去ca版觀光,試著看看他們是怎麼做到的。

flsxx 发表于 2012-8-16 12:24

求科普:
GA和FA是什么东西?

waihorace 发表于 2012-8-16 13:28

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orz...
[url=http://zhwp.org/WP:FA]http://zhwp.org/WP:FA[/url]
[url=http://zhwp.org/WP:GA]http://zhwp.org/WP:GA[/url]

jasonzhuocn 发表于 2012-8-16 21:45

看來我以後儘可能說明白些,少用一點縮略語:

報告一些觀察:
加泰隆尼亞語,iso代碼ca,只要是基礎1000條目,右上角都有一個綠色的小維基球,點進去會進入[[Wikipedia:基礎條目]]。

這樣一來,這一千條相對較重要的條目,右上角都在展示[[Wikipedia:基礎條目]]的存在,可以增進志願者社群對這個項目的關注和參與。

jasonzhuocn 发表于 2012-8-16 21:50

再報告下一點:
加泰隆尼亞語有一個機器人(由用戶操作的程序),自動化的更新基礎一千條目的狀態到這個頁面。
[url=http://ca.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usuari:TronaBot/log:Els_1000/llista_general]http://ca.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usuari:TronaBot/log:Els_1000/llista_general[/url]


該頁面的表格,欄目如下:

序號||條目名||指數(應該是長度)||是否是優良或特色條目||紅連數量||還欠多少長度

wangxuan8331800 发表于 2012-8-16 22:01

可是真的有人愿意写这个么,这种大条目信息量太大很难写到GA的……

jasonzhuocn 发表于 2012-8-16 22:08

去樓上的連結隨意點開了加泰隆尼亞的基礎條目,深深感到佩服。
他們只是小語言,總人口加起來就是我們十幾個縣而已,能有這番成績肯定是有下過功夫的。

基礎條目大部分都是各學門領域的主要枝幹,質量提升就該專注在這些重要的條目上。
這些基礎條目遠比OOXX芝麻瑣事重要太多了,維基百科遠期的發展就是看這些條目是否足夠。

jasonzhuocn 发表于 2012-8-16 22:12

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能否寫到GA,還得看作者能否運用適當的文獻,如果手邊有較完整的概括式文獻,會比較容易寫。
如果只有成堆的瑣碎學科書籍,叫人先讀完也太強人所難。

jasonzhuocn 发表于 2012-8-16 22:26

一套綜合性的紙本百科,涵蓋的條目大約是8萬到10萬條,收的都是知識的主幹,這十萬條裡面有長有短,通常不會比維基的FA長。

我猜測再過個幾年,基礎條目擴展有可能再進一步擴張,也許到了2030年,次基礎條目擴展清單就可以把傳統綜合性的紙本百科所涵蓋的條目給盡收了。而且維基百科的野心更大,打出的目標是將基礎條目全給提升到FA。假設維基百科的志願者社群能保持足夠的能量不墜,也許遲至2050年,真的可以達成全面性的覆蓋,比傳統綜合性百科內容更多更廣更深。

jasonzhuocn 发表于 2012-8-20 09:06

*基礎條目1000條,又稱核心條目,許多語言版本已跟進多年,但是只有少數版本有系統性的對基礎條目進行提升。這個1000條清單是穩定的。
*基金會提出目標將核心條目都升為特色條目(FA)。
*基礎條目擴展10000條,僅英文版,費時六年於今年夏天完成清單,但是還沒進行全面提升。這個清單仍在變動,例如前陣子刪去許多汽車款式,刪去所有的程式語言。
*英文版另有擴展為30000條動議,已經被社群成員拒絕。
*中文版部分領域的基礎條目剛脫離起步階段,例如化學類的被列入基礎條目清單的元素條目。
*中文版的歷史類的基礎條目,提升的最到位,尤其是中國朝代。應該要注意別忽略了世界史。

jasonzhuocn 发表于 2012-8-21 11:19

新一期的Wikipedia Signpost有關於基礎(核心)條目競賽的報導


[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2012-08-20/News_and_notes]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2012-08-20/News_and_notes[/url]
Core contest enters final 10 days

[font=sans-serif][size=12.800000190734863px][url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:The_Core_Contest]The Core Contest[/url] is a month-long competition among editors to improve Wikipedia's most important "core" articles—especially those that are in a relatively poor state. Core articles, such as [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Music]Music[/url],[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer]Computer[/url], and [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosophy]Philosophy[/url], tend to lie in the trunk of the tree of knowledge; by analogy, featured-and good-article processes generally attract more specialist topics out on the branches. [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Casliber]Casliber[/url], the main organiser of the contest, told the [i]Signpost[/i] that "core articles present particular challenges in their broad scope, conceptual difficulties, and the balancing of comprehensiveness with Wikipedia's limits on article size." Nevertheless, he says, core articles are an essential part of an encyclopedia, are popular with readers, and serve as launchpads to more specific articles."[/size][/font]
[font=sans-serif][size=12.800000190734863px][url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:The_Core_Contest/Entries/2007_archive]The first[/url] core contest ran for two weeks in late 2007, and [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:The_Core_Contest/Entries/2012_archive]the second[/url] for three weeks in March this year. For the March contest, Wikimedia UK kindly donated £250 in Amazon vouchers, which were shared by six editors. The first prize went to [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ecosystem]Ecosystem[/url], improved by [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Guettarda]Guettarda[/url], and the second prize to [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Ealdgyth]Ealdgyth[/url], for [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Middle_Ages]Middle Ages[/url]. We asked Ealdgyth what problems she faced in improving an article on such a huge topic:[/size][/font]
"The biggest challenge was figuring out what [i]not[/i] to include. Unlike most of my articles, where I start with nothing much more than a stub, there was already a pretty substantial article at Middle Ages; so I had to verify that information and cull out large chunks of unduly weighted information—for example, there was an extensive discussion of Hungarian late medieval history that was clearly unbalanced in the context of the article.Balancing and weighting is always difficult on a big topic. No matter what you do, someone has a pet theory that they want included! In this case, I had to negotiate whether—contrary to most sources, which consider the Middle Ages a purely European subject—the article should cover the whole world.

The referencing I deployed on Middle Ages is a bit different from what I'd normally use: I went with much broader and less specialized works; so instead of journal articles and monographs, I used a lot of college textbooks and wide-scope histories. This helped to keep the balance and focus of the article on the broad sweep, instead of the minutiae of the various subtopics that are, anyway, better covered by daughter articles."

[font=sans-serif][size=12.800000190734863px]The original 2007 contest focused on producing new articles; consistent with the maturing of the English Wikipedia, this year's contests instead reward the improvement of existing articles rather than the creation of new ones, with a priority to lift the standards of articles in poor shape. The current event started on 1 August and will finish 31 August, Saturday week. It was felt that four weeks would lead to a more inclusive event, which seems to have been confirmed by increased participation: with a week and a half to go, 18 nominations in the running, up from 10 in March. The UK chapter has again funded the prizes.[/size][/font]
[font=sans-serif][size=12.800000190734863px]Casliber told us that it's definitely not too late to enter, provided new nominators are willing to put in a bit of time: the judges want to choose from as many eligible items as possible. Editors select from lists of [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Vital_articles]vital[/url] or [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:The_Core_Contest/Articles]core articles[/url], although if they give an acceptable rationale they're welcome to nominate a broad or important article outside these two lists. A priority is to improve those core articles in the worst state of disrepair.[/size][/font]
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[size=12.800000190734863px]After the close of the contest, a panel of judges—[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Casliber]Casliber[/url] ([url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Casliber]talk[/url] [b]·[/b] [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Casliber]contribs[/url]), [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Brianboulton]Brianboulton[/url] ([url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Brianboulton]talk[/url] [b]·[/b] [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Brianboulton]contribs[/url]), [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Steven_Walling]Steven Walling[/url] ([url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Steven_Walling]talk[/url] [b]·[/b] [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Steven_Walling]contribs[/url]), and[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Binksternet]Binksternet[/url] ([url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Binksternet]talk[/url] [b]·[/b] [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Binksternet]contribs[/url])—will weigh up the improvements made and the "core-ness" of the article, to determine the "best additive encyclopedic value" to Wikipedia. The judges and other editors are already providing feedback on the wide range of articles represented among [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:The_Core_Contest/Entries]the entries[/url], which include[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sculpture]Sculpture[/url] (entered just three days ago), [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transport]Transport[/url], [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marie_Curie]Marie Curie[/url], [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Language]Language[/url], [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alps]Alps[/url], and [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_subcontinent]Indian subcontinent[/url]. [i]Signpost[/i] readers are encouraged either to consider making a late run for the gate, and if not, to contribute helpful feedback for contestants.[/size][/font]
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[size=12.800000190734863px]The winners and prizes will be announced in September. For editors who would like to enter the competition, the rules are on [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:The_Core_Contest#Rules]the main page[/url] of the contest.[/size][/font]

klutz 发表于 2012-8-21 11:57

动员令要是别忙着建女优条目什么的,而且专心基础学科条目,会好一些。

waihorace 发表于 2012-8-21 12:23

[quote]动员令要是别忙着建女优条目什么的,而且专心基础学科条目,会好一些。
[size=2][color=#999999]klutz 发表于 21/8/2012 11:57[/color] [url=http://rcu.5d6d.net/redirect.php?goto=findpost&pid=11861&ptid=1608][img]http://rcu.5d6d.net/images/common/back.gif[/img][/url][/size][/quote]
基礎條目今次的貢獻量已經算不錯的了
比起第八次動員令的7條基礎條目...

jasonzhuocn 发表于 2012-8-26 17:45

[quote]动员令要是别忙着建女优条目什么的,而且专心基础学科条目,会好一些。
[size=2][color=#999999]klutz 发表于 2012-8-21 11:57[/color] [url=http://rcu.5d6d.net/redirect.php?goto=findpost&pid=11861&ptid=1608][img]http://rcu.5d6d.net/images/common/back.gif[/img][/url][/size][/quote]
基礎條目換個說法包裝一下;

是知識的選粹,知識主幹、知識骨幹,
百科核心內容,各領域核心內容,
或稱百科寶山中的金剛石!


許多骨幹條目都是很宏大的,
比起小題大作,大題大作也很不容易。

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